The seriousness of computer hacking is not exaggerated, it is far worse
than that. The computer hacker has attained the status of myth; society associates all computer crime with a mythical perpetrator that bears no resemblance to reality.
On Wed, 02 Apr 2025 20:24:27 -0300, Ethan Carter quoted:
The seriousness of computer hacking is not exaggerated, it is far worse
than that. The computer hacker has attained the status of myth; society
associates all computer crime with a mythical perpetrator that bears no
resemblance to reality.
Lack of distinction between “hackers” and “crackers” already makes it not
worth reading.
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On 2025-04-04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 02 Apr 2025 20:24:27 -0300, Ethan Carter quoted:
The seriousness of computer hacking is not exaggerated, it is far worse
than that. The computer hacker has attained the status of myth; society >>> associates all computer crime with a mythical perpetrator that bears no
resemblance to reality.
Lack of distinction between “hackers” and “crackers” already makes it not
worth reading.
There is no need to cherry pick mass media or personal articles, a
hacker is well deserved represented correctly by Steven Levy on his
books "Hackers, heroes of the computer revolution" what people in diff sectors (hollywood, security complext, fear mongers, lazy sysadmins
blaming "hackers" for all their errors, etc etc ) have try to make it be, that is another problem...
the book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackers:_Heroes_of_the_Computer_Revolution
and actual organization working for preserve the real values: https://www.hackingisnotacrime.org/
read the Synopsis you find an updated 2025 explanation of hackers that
we can all agree with.
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On 2025-04-04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 02 Apr 2025 20:24:27 -0300, Ethan Carter quoted:
The seriousness of computer hacking is not exaggerated, it is far worse
than that. The computer hacker has attained the status of myth; society >>> associates all computer crime with a mythical perpetrator that bears no
resemblance to reality.
Lack of distinction between “hackers” and “crackers” already makes it not
worth reading.
There is no need to cherry pick mass media or personal articles, a
hacker is well deserved represented correctly by Steven Levy on his
books "Hackers, heroes of the computer revolution" what people in diff sectors (hollywood, security complext, fear mongers, lazy sysadmins
blaming "hackers" for all their errors, etc etc ) have try to make it be, that is another problem...
the book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackers:_Heroes_of_the_Computer_Revolution
and actual organization working for preserve the real values: https://www.hackingisnotacrime.org/
read the Synopsis you find an updated 2025 explanation of hackers that
we can all agree with.
Happy hacking
ReK2
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On 2025-04-04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 02 Apr 2025 20:24:27 -0300, Ethan Carter quoted:
The seriousness of computer hacking is not exaggerated, it is far worse
than that. The computer hacker has attained the status of myth; society >>> associates all computer crime with a mythical perpetrator that bears no
resemblance to reality.
Lack of distinction between “hackers” and “crackers” already makes it not
worth reading.
There is no need to cherry pick mass media or personal articles, a
hacker is well deserved represented correctly by Steven Levy on his
books "Hackers, heroes of the computer revolution" what people in diff sectors (hollywood, security complext, fear mongers, lazy sysadmins
blaming "hackers" for all their errors, etc etc ) have try to make it be, that is another problem...
the book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackers:_Heroes_of_the_Computer_Revolution
and actual organization working for preserve the real values: https://www.hackingisnotacrime.org/
read the Synopsis you find an updated 2025 explanation of hackers that
we can all agree with.
Happy hacking
ReK2
rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> writes:
No hope that the following view would be shared here, but I think that's
a losing battle. There are many wars being fought and they're fought in
all areas of human activity. There are innumerable examples of words
that have been taken by these wars. ``Anarchy'' is the most clear example---look it up in a dictionary and you will only find definitions
given by the adversary. But there's also ``democracy'', ``communism'', ``socialism'', ``capitalism'', ``fascism'' and so on. None of these
words are useful anymore except for use against healthy living.
I am not proposing we stop using the word, but it's a fact that using it
out there doesn't quite work in our favor. It is also not absurd that perhaps one would be well-advised of not getting into the habit of using
it. Like ``anarchy'', the word now seems only good for academic
lectures. Of course it's properly used among hackers themselves, but so
is ``anarchy'' among its experts.
On 2025-04-05, Ethan Carter <ec1828@somewhere.edu> wrote:
rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> writes:
No hope that the following view would be shared here, but I think that's
a losing battle. There are many wars being fought and they're fought in
all areas of human activity. There are innumerable examples of words
that have been taken by these wars. ``Anarchy'' is the most clear
example---look it up in a dictionary and you will only find definitions
given by the adversary. But there's also ``democracy'', ``communism'',
``socialism'', ``capitalism'', ``fascism'' and so on. None of these
words are useful anymore except for use against healthy living.
I am not proposing we stop using the word, but it's a fact that using it
out there doesn't quite work in our favor. It is also not absurd that
perhaps one would be well-advised of not getting into the habit of using
it. Like ``anarchy'', the word now seems only good for academic
lectures. Of course it's properly used among hackers themselves, but so
is ``anarchy'' among its experts.
There is a big difference, I agree 100% specially with anarchy and
anarchism since I sympathy with it and have read a lot of it. But back
to Hacker culture and wording, we have actually succeed, count the times
the media now a days says "cybercriminals" vs "Hackers"
hackingisnotacrime has been suing media outlets when wrong using the
word hacker to represent scriptkiddies/cybercriminals, even in Spain
that is slower to pick up on this things some news outlets have also
switched to avoid to call hackers as cybercriminals and cyberthugs etc.
The diff between hacker culture is that many of us today work on high
places or have work or got fed up of those jobs but still have the
contacts etc, we are the heart of the tech industry and even do only
maybe a 10 % of people working in cybersecurity are actually
hackers(since hacking is not just related to security or even computers
is a mindset and way of thinking) that 10% are a big influence...
So I agree that words tend to get
used and twisted to the interest of the people on top this happened with hacking in the 90's but in 2010's + there has been a big switch,
hackers are now 50-60-70's years old and the push is real.
will there be people specially people who have never been part of hacker culture that will still says "hackers" in a negative way, yes of course
but everyday less and less.
just my opinion.
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